How to transform conditional sentences type 2 into reported speech?

This site says "We can use a perfect form with have sầu + -ed khung after modal verbs, especially where the report looks bachồng to lớn a hypothetical event in the past."

The site also says modal verbs like would, should và might remain unchanged. Then which of my above sầu answers is correct?


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Saying

John said that Paul would help us ...

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is fine. Also fine is a slight reduction of that:

John said Paul would help us ...

If you feel the need to stringently disambiguate your meaning, you could say

John said Paul would have sầu helped us if we had needed a volunteer.

but this feels over-particular & may cloud the issue instead of clarifying it, since inevitably some users will struggle to connect the dots with your perfect tensification.


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It"s actually kind of reported speech of reported speech, isn"t it? As you know, we usually backshift verbs when indirectly reporting speech, but you should only backshift once.

Your example is a little odd because it"s not clear when Paul"s help is needed. Logic says it"s in the future, and so John is saying that Paul offered lớn help -- but in that case it seems more idiomatic khổng lồ use need. The backshift khổng lồ needed is what makes it sound lượt thích a direct quote of an indirect quote. Normal conversation isn"t that complicated:

John said Paul would help us if we need a volunteer.

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Still, needed is fine, and would likely pass without notice.

John said Paul would help us if we needed a volunteer.

Although your reference says otherwise, there is no reason khổng lồ shift from the simple past to a perfect tense. The perfect tense is normally used to lớn establish a relationship between two events in time. Your example is just a simple statement. Changing it khổng lồ the perfect only makes it more confusing.

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However, the perfect tense does work if the help was needed in the past, and John is only now ttheartinpixels.coming me that Paul offered help at the time.

John said that Paul would have sầu helped us if we had needed the help. Gee, thanks John, for not saying something sooner.